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Eldunarí at Galbatorix's court Edit
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The Rock of Kuthian is in Galbatorix's court and it holds all of the Eldunarí! Well... at least I think... That's just my opinion... well i think it could be true! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BrisingrThorna (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 18:19, September 26, 2008. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- I don't think so that just doesn't seem right to me i think it would be in the spine or on one of the islands or Hadarac desert but i don't know so oh well Lotti95 09:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- The rock of kuthihan is on vernograd a mile below the tallest peak of vernograd one can enter it only by telling it his true name
it si specifically said in the 4th book
- I have two theories. Paolini said himself that the basic plot structure is based off of the original Star Wars trilogy. Looking at the second deathstar, Luke had to travel to Endor and take out the shield generators before he could sneak in. The parallel to Eragon is that the Rock of Kuthian is indeed in Galbatorix's court, and he must speak the password, most likely his true or just regular name, to enter a secret passage ending in the vault where the Eldunarí, or dragon souls, are kept. This would help Eragon's insufficient power because Galbatorix and Murtagh would lose most of their power, and Eragon would gain it. We must also look at Jeod and his conversation with Eragon while with the Varden in Surda. He gives him a copy of Domia abr Wyrda and tells him that we can learn much from history, and that in fact, is what Jeod spends his time doing, looking for one such secret passage as before. -Travis Dean- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 21:47, April 18, 2011. Please sign your comments with ~~~~. (The previous comment was splitted and moved by Weas-El Talk|Contribs 10:42, April 20, 2011 (UTC), the second part can be found in section "Brom's tomb")
- A great theory i read on Shurtugal once was that The Rock of Kuthian has something to do with a dragon of the forsworn. Because when ever Eragon brings it up, people say it sounds familiar. This is because of the Banishing of Names, they've heard of Kuthian, and read his name before, but the couldn't remember it. Pretty Legit Theory. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 23:31, May 2, 2011. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- But Eragon read a scroll in eldest with the forsworn's dragons names on it. even though he can't remember their names alone he can read them on the scroll so if he had read Kuthian he wouldn't have bothered asking arya or Oromis. therefore it can't be a dragon. It could however be an Eldunarí and the vault of souls could be the place where the wild dragons kept their Eldunarí . (none of the books comment on where the wild dragons Eldunarí went. Shuratagal 11:04, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe the rock is on Vroengard or on Utgard. Because no body would care about a rock when the were pillaging Vroengard, and only Riders( who the dragons thought they could trust) could reach Utgard. Also, why would Vrael go there? obviously to protect the Vault.
- Maybe, Galbatorix found out about the vault already and it is just a dead end. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 01:35, September 14, 2011. Please sign your comments on forum pages and talk pages by clicking the "Signature" button or adding four tildes in a row (~~~~).
- Nah, I'm pretty sure that the 'Rock of Kuthian' is in thw Dwarves ownership for numerous reasons
- No.1. Oromis stated that he didnt think he would find mention of it in elvish scrolls
- No.2. The only people that Eragon asked about the 'Rock of Kuthian' were Elves
- No.3. Arya has lived with the Dwarves and when asked by Eragon about the 'Rock of Kuthian' said it sounded familiar
- No.4. Oromis is old enough to have been a guest of the Dwarves and so might have heard of it then. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 18.104.22.168 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 07:24, September 25, 2011. Please sign your comments on forum pages and talk pages by clicking the "Signature" button or adding four tildes in a row (~~~~).
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It's all really obvious that the rock that came from underneath the menoa tree is the Rock of Kuthian AND that means brisingr is Eragon's real name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 22:20, May 13, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- You really think so? Paolini is the type of person to surprise us. Besides, what's Eragon supposed to do? Speak to his sword? That sounds kinda ridiculous. --General57Talk to me here 22:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
- Wouldn't all brightsteel be "Rocks of Kuthian" then? And anyway, if so where's the Vault of Souls? hidden in his sword? please keep stupid ideas to yourself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 20:33, January 15, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Is it possible that Eragon becomes a sorcerer and loses to Murtagh or Galbatorix. Then he finds the Rock of Kuthian and finds the Vault of Souls. Can't there be spirits there?
- dude that's stupid. in Brisingr, he said that spirits shouldn't be used to do anything and Trianna should be expelled from Du Vrangr Gata and banish her from the Varden.
- It is probably Eldunarí but could there be something we overlooked i mean it doesn't have to maybe it is something else.
- I'm pretty sure that Eragon finds Eldunarí. But the real question is how did it get there? Is it Galbatorixes, wild dragons, Vrael's Eldunarí, or is it where former rider's dragons and wild dragons put their Eldunarí? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 01:54, January 19, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Now, I don't agree with the theory that the Rock of Kuthian is Brisingr, but the Vault of Souls could be the jewel that's always set in the pommel of Rider's swords... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Menoa Tree (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 15:39, August 31, 2011. Please sign your comments on forum pages and talk pages by clicking the "Signature" button or adding four tildes in a row (~~~~).
White dragon Edit
I think that the Rock of Kuthian was Vrael's white dragon's Eldunarí, even though his name cannot be spoken, which is why, i think, that when asked, people cannot fully recall what it is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 08:03, August 21, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Vraels dragon was green and as far as i know his dragon's name could be spoken so plz do some research —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dragonfury999 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 12:25, August 27, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Sorry, got my riders mixed up. i meant the first Eragon's white dragon. Who's name can't be spoken in this or any other language'... i think that's what's said. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 06:03, August 31, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Why can't ppl. say the name of Vrael's dragon? just b/c its not mentioned yet? and where's the Vault of Souls? oh and by the way the white dragon was Bid'daum & it wasn't Vrael's —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 18.104.22.168 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 20:37, January 15, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- It'll be explained when you use decent grammar. Please, people, at least go to the effort of pressing a few more keys to make it legibile and aesthetically pleasing to the educated masses. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Menoa Tree (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 15:43, August 31, 2011. Please sign your comments on forum pages and talk pages by clicking the "Signature" button or adding four tildes in a row (~~~~).
- The first Eragon's dragon was called Bid'Daum. It was the dragon who made the pact with the elves whose name was unspeakable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Menoa Tree (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 15:43, August 31, 2011. Please sign your comments on forum pages and talk pages by clicking the "Signature" button or adding four tildes in a row (~~~~).
- How come Brom knew Bid'Daums name and the elves don't?
Utgard Mountain Edit
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I think that Rock of kuthain is urthgard the big mountain where Vrael fled and that Vrael left lots of Eldunarí there to help the free dragon rider as in brisingr Oromis said that there might be hordes of Eldunarí to help a dragon rider to overthrow Galbatorix but no one can find them but still one can hope. plz share your thoughts —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dragonfury999 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 12:25, August 27, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- No, Eragon said so, or rather, he asked Oromis if there was any, and Oromis said he didn't think so, b/c he had wandered Alagaësia searching to see if Galbatorix had missed any and he couldn't sense any. oh, and it's Utgard not urthgard —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 20:57, January 15, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Ok, so when the wild dragons got old and died the few in each generation who would want to give away their Eldunarí into the Rock of Kuthian so after Nasuada gets assassinated or something very bad like that Eragon discovers his true name, goes to Du Fells Nángoröth where there's a rock named after, now bear with me for this: a Forsworn's dragon named Kuthian who nobody remembers it's name since the Banishing of the Names and the only reason why Eragon remembers is because he's thinking it of something else, like how the elves lie; he's saying something and meaning something else. Perhaps the Forsworn and his/her dragon named Kuthian felt really bad for what they did so they gathered as many Eldunarí as they could without Galbatorix noticing for a chance to redeem themselves. How the Forsworn's dragon knew about the rock where they used to keep their Eldunarí? It's mate might have been a wild dragon. Far fetched but we don't have much to work with and I can just picture this happening.
- _pat5168_ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pat5168 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 00:15, November 3, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Pat, few issues.
- 1) Noone could remember the name of the forsworns dragons no matter what
- 2) Oromis couldn't sense any more Eldunari, and unless it was some kind of spell, Oromis would have noticed it.
- 3) Same as above, but with Galbatorix
- 126.96.36.199 01:04, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
True name of magic Edit
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I think Kuthian is the true name of magic. umm that would be a giant crystal holding the souls of dragons or grey folk. maybe the dragons are the grey folk. ( its said if they have and ending it will be with the world) so why not the beginning to? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 14:35, September 17, 2009 . Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Kuthain can't be the true name of magic, if it was Eragon would've felt powerful and solembum wouldn't say "Go to the true name of magic's rock" O_o and i don't think that the grey folk a dragon but still, Paolini is a hard man to figure out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dragonfury999 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 17:34, September 23, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- You can't hold souls in crystals if you could the elves would've known and done it long ago, and why would the Rock of Kuthian be the true name of magic? also this would mean the Rock of Kuthian is the Vault of Souls, and this is a huge stretch. besides the dragons can't use magic like magicians can, and that's how the Grey Folk changed the nature of magic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 20:52, January 15, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
Beor Mountains Edit
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I think the Rock of Kuthian is the real name of the Beor Mountains —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 01:15, September 26, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- I think the Rock of Kuthian/ Vault of souls might be in the frozen fortess that Eragon and Saphira saw on their way to Ellesméra after crowning Orik as king in Brisingr. It doesn't seem likely that it would just be there just for show, I think it might have a purpose. I think that it might be a hidden place in the Beors that was built by the clan of Az Swelden rak Anhûin that might have tunnels in it that lead to other parts of Alagaësia that could lead to the vault of souls and the place(fortress/building) could be called the Rock of Kuthian and they have to travel through it to get to the vault. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 18.104.22.168 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 08:06, July 4, 2011. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
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Its a rock... think for a sec. why ask an elf urgal human or dragon about a rock, ask a Dwarf! im not sure if its orik or not —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 22:43, September 30, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- About asking a dwarf I am not sure why Eragon has not yet, but as for me I think the Rock of Kuthian is in the stone forest Eragon went to. And I also think that the well of souls is a place full of dragons heart of hearts I know the said that the riders had them all but what about the heart of hearts before the elves came and the stone forest was there as long as the dwarves could remember I don't know what you think but thats what I think and so he should ask a Dwarf! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saphira-and-Ayra-Fan (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 23:53, April 26, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
Du Fells NángoröthEdit
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I may be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but in the desert they mentioned a large rock formation off in the distance and they also mention that the dragons love the desert but if there is a small mountain in the center of the desert, as the maps in the books show, wouldn't it be logical that dragons may have left something there and the main reason it would be as of yet discovered is the harsh conditions that surround it, that and the dragons may have, intentionally or not, placed wards around it. This, in my opinion, could very well be the place to start looking for the VoS in the RoK. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 17:47, October 19, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Good plan, and I originally thought so, but when looking over the book, I decided this was not likely. The Eldunarí used to be stored in those mountains, but during the age of the riders they were moved to Doru Areaba, and Galbatorix took them from there. It would only make sense that he checked those mountains too, though he might not have, or the Dragon's Wards might have prevented him from finding anything. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 01:56, December 13, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- The dragons had no reason to hide some of their Eldunarí if they were willing to give rest to the riders in the first place, they couldn't know Galbatorix would come along. The chances of there being Eldunarí still there range from zero to nothing, and even if there had been, Galbatorix would have found them, being the kind of person not to leave anything to chance. With nearly limitless strength these hypothetical wards couldn't possibly stop him, as they would only prevent him from going farther not make him think there's really nothing there, and he would spend as much time as it took to get through them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 20:44, January 15, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Yeah, actually the wild dragons would have had every reason to keep a supply of Eldunarí secret, in case of another elf/dragon war, that way they would probably keep their wisest, oldest, and most powerful Soul Stones well hidden. Also, like someone else said: The Hadarac was the original home of the Dwarves, and their ancient murals had pictures depicting dragons guarding the Hadarac mountains. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gybrikkyus Sal (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 19:41, April 22, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Well, I personally believe that the Vault of souls will be in the middle of the Hadarac Desert you can see where I mean if you look on the map in the book flap I think that the more northern mountain will have all Grey Folk (Besides Tenga of course who I believe by the by is a banished Grey Folk the one who almost destroyed the world and everything in it with that one spell and is trying to make up for it by answering all the questions he can think of) men and women just living in there peacefully and in harmony and happily knowing they made their world safer because of the spell they preformed (I also think that the Urgals are descendants of them but that's beside the point). But, the more southernly mountain is full of the Eldunarí of the free ancient dragons and Eragon must speak his name in the ancient language to defeat Galbatorix and that's my idea about the vault of souls —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rrwwee (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 02:26, May 23, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- I just want to point out that dragons can't cast spells and therefore can't make wards. And it wasn't their wild magic because it wouldn't be as structured as a ward, and what does Eragon's name have to do with dragon wards anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 02:14, April 13, 2011. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
Brom's tomb Edit
Really out there guess but Eragon has to return to Brom's tomb and the exact word C.P. used to describe that tomb (when it was turned to diamond) was 'vault' so maybe there, speculate as you will —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 18.104.22.168 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 13:22, December 2, 2009. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- I like the tomb idea and Kuthian was Brom's true name (elves can tell people their true names) and that Eragon means life or hope in the ancient language and somehow brings Brom back to life for the final battle. 22.214.171.124 02:59, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
- I read the books more times than I can remeber and I have never seen nor heard anything about Brom's true name being Kuthian so pay better attention to what you write.
- It is possible that the Rock of Kuthian is the mountain where Brom is buried, and the Vault of Souls is Brom's tomb itself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (Talk ? Contributions ? Logs) 04:18, February 5, 2011. (Comment was moved here from Brom's tomb by Weas-El Talk|Contribs 10:26, February 5, 2011 (UTC))
- My second theory is this. Christopher said Brom is coming back, though not in the way anyone would suspect. I believe that Kuthian is, if not all, part of Brom's True name. This is why it struck a chord with Arya and Oromis, they both knew Brom and elves have a knack for discerning True Names. After consulting Tenga's true name compendiums, or just returning out of his earlier promise, Eragon realizes that the rock is Brom's tomb and that the magic Saphira imbued with it to transmute it to Diamond immortalized Brom's soul granting Eragon access to his knowledge and some yet unknown power. -Travis Dean- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 21:47, April 18, 2011. Please sign your comments with ~~~~. (The previous comment was splitted and moved by Weas-El Talk|Contribs 10:42, April 20, 2011 (UTC), the first part can be found in section "Eldunarí at Galbatorix's court")
- I think that the Rock of Kuthian is the mountain where Broms tomb is and the Vault of Souls is Broms tomb itself —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 04:57, February 12, 2011. Please sign your comments with ~~~~. (comment moved here from Talk:Rock of Kuthian by Weas-El Talk|Contribs 10:12, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
I believe that Brom's tomb is the Rock of Kuthian for several reasons: 1) It must have some sort of magical protection to stop people stealing the diamond (presuming this hasn't happened) 2) Brom's body was perfectly preserved, so any energy left in his body could have been stored in the diamond. 3) (This is just a theory) If Eldunarí can absorb energy over time, why can't gemstones? (especially if they already contain energy). Because most gemstones are so small the process would be hardly noticeable, but as Brom's tomb is huge and made of pure diamond, the process would presumably be faster, and a monumental amount of energy could be stored. 4) If Brom's body was preserved, his spirit could have been too. His spirit would recognize Eragon by his true name and so open the tomb. Brom's spirit could then act as a conduit between Eragon and 'the Void' (The Vault of Souls), as it was mentioned that no living creature could enter 'the Void' and live. Eragon could then learn from any dead character e.g. Oromis, Vrael, Morzan, Brom etc etc. Morzansson 22:22, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
- I think that Brom's real name is Kuthian, and that's why Kuthian was familiar to Arya and Oromis (as you people mentioned above), so rock of Kuthian is Brom's grave. Plus, if Eragon's true name IS life or something like that, then, by saying his true name, he can open the Underworld (literally Vault of Souls) and talk to Brom. What he can achieve by that I cannot imagine. :P Anyway, speculating is fun!
- "When all is lost" may refer to Saphira dying, because Eragon's entire mind revolves around her, and the Vault of Souls may bring her back.
- The Rock of Kuthian probably is referring to a place, because Solembum tells him to go there, implying it cant be moved.
- His name may mean his true name, which might be the same as the original Eragon's.
- Some fans believe that the Rock of Kuthian is or is in Helgrind, and that the Vault of Souls is also there. However, this seems unlikely as Eragon explored it thoroughly in Brisingr. Another reason that it is unlikely is the fact that it was the Ra'zac's lair. The Ra'zac probably would have explored it thoroughly during their stay.
- It is speculated that the Rock of Kuthian may be connected with Utgard, where Vrael fled from Galbatorix to gather his strength.
- Some believe that the Rock of Kuthian may be on the island of Vroengard or in the city of Doru Araeba.
- Another theory is that the Rock of Kuthian is on Sharktooth Island, which is near Kuasta (Brom's birthplace). On Sharktooth, if you look carefully, you can see a small circle. It is speculated that the Rock of Kuthian resides there.
- It also may be possible that the Rock of Kuthian may be the stone that Eragon used to scry when Brom and Eragon were being chased by Urgals on their way from Teirm to Dras Leona.
- It is possible that Kuthian may have been a dragon, and that said Rock of Kuthian is his or her Eldunarí. When Eragon says his name, the dragon will know that he is good and it will help him.
- The Vault of Souls might not have any power, but the dragon egg might be there.
- The Rock of Kuthian might be in the cave where Brom died and in the back, Eragon finds a passage. In that passage, he would find the rock and as he holds it, it shows him where the Vault of Souls is. He would then go there and speak his name, and it would open, allowing him to bring back people, dragons, and maybe other powerful creatures.
- Eragon and Roran go to Helgrind to rescue Katrina at the beginning of Brisingr (book). When they succeed, Eragon stays to look around. It is possible that he overlooked the Rock of Kuthian and the third egg and he will come back later and discover them.
- The Rock of Kuthian may also be the the third dragon egg, as dragon eggs look very similar to rocks. This seems unlikely, though. However, Eragon even thought that Saphira's egg was a stone in the beginning. As for increasing Eragon's power as Solembum said, having another Rider on his side would certainly increase Eragon's power, albeit not directly. This would be one of the most likely possibilities, as Kuthian could be what the dragon chose as its name. The only problem with this theory is the Vault of Souls, Solembum's prophecy states that Eragon must go to the Rock of Kuthian and speak his name to open the Vault of Souls, which we still have no idea what or where it is.
- It is possible that this is the "Void" where souls go after they die. Therefore, all dragons, humans, elves, dwarves, and anything else that has energy could pour it into Eragon, similar to the way that he absorbs them from living things and how the Eldunarí work.
- Another possible theory is that the Rock of Kuthian/Vault of Souls is hidden deep in The Spine, and that's where Galbatorix lost half his army. They might have discovered the Rock/Vault and Galbatorix thought they couldn't be trusted.
- It could also be the floating crystal on Eoam that Arya briefly mentions after she and Eragon meet the spirits in Brisingr.
- In Brisingr, Glaedr mentions "Du Fells Nángoröth" (the mountains in the center of the Hadarac Desert) as the place where dragons kept their Eldunarí before the forming of the pact between the dragons and the elves. This may be the Rock of Kuthian ("rock" easily alludes to one of the mountains, and "Kuthian" could simply be someone's name or title, translated to "Nángoröth" in the ancient language), containing the Vault of Souls (souls referring to the Eldunarí, which are in essence the souls of dragons).
- It is possible that Solembum is referring to the Eldunarí when it mentions "when all seems lost and your power is insufficient, go to the Rock of Kuthian..." as Eragon would be able to obtain greater power through the Eldunarí.
- It is also possible that the rock, might not be a rock at all. Rock may also mean a foundation, or building/fortress made of stone. Rock could also mean strength.
- The Rock of Kuthian may be the barrier of the Vault of Souls, which holds the Eldunarí not stolen by Galbatorix.
- The Rock of Kuthian may in fact belong to Galbatorix, and the Vault of Souls is indeed the location where Galbatorix keeps his immense hoard of stolen Eldunarí.
- In Paolini's fourth book, Eragon Shadeslayer may find the location and information on the Rock of Kuthian through Glaedr. As in Brisingr, Oromis tells Eragon that the name Rock of Kuthian was familiar to him, and as Oromis and Glaedr are bonded, Glaedr may recall it and inform Eragon through the Eldunarí.
- The Rock of Kuthian may be a closely guarded secret of the dwarves, seeing as they are made of stone.
- The Rock of Kuthian could also be (as stated above) a place in Urû'baen like a fountain or such encrusted with gems and precious stones that was built by the elves during it's time as Ilirea and something on it, or in it, could be a secret horde of Eldunarí or Bid'Daum's Eldunarí, or Bid'Daum could be the actual spine itself as in the book they often refer to a part of the spine as the tailbone of the spine and Eragon might just have to say his name to get Bid'Daum to release his Eldunarí.
- The Rock of Kuthian could be the forest of stone that Orik showed Eragon in Brisingr. He may just have to go there and speak his name. The whole forest could collapse, revealing tons of Eldunarí, thus we would have the Vault of Souls
- The Rock of Kuthian could also be the dwarven stone called 'Knurlnien' or 'Heart of Stone' that Eragon was given to welcome him into Durgrimst Ingeitum and convert him into a dwarf.
- It is possible that the Rock of Kuthian refers to the Eldunarí of a dragon of the Forsworn. This would explain why some find the name familiar but are otherwise unable to recall. However, when the dragons fashioned the spell, they made it so that anything that described the Forsworn dragons would not be able to be said. For example, they would not be able to say "I am green" because it would describe them. This would make the possibility very unlikely, as 'Kuthian' would describe them in some way if it would be their name.
- The Rock of Kuthian could also be just that, a Rock of Kuthian. Kuthian could be anything from Galbatorix's father to anything else that Galbatorix has fashioned. This rock could be made of a diamond or similar material, meaning that it could hold the souls of the dragons that Galbatorix has broken, leaving their Eldunarí undefended. Eragon meets a man after the Battle of the Burning Plains who says key things about the Eldunarí at the start of Brisingr. He says that the light that shone through Murtagh was created by others (the dragons) and that they were full of hatred and that he did not want to get on their bad side. This means that the Rock of Kuthian could well be a Rock of Kuthian (dragon, person...) that holds the dragon's souls that Eragon could release to punish Galbatorix for their imprisonment.
- Another place for Rock of Kuthian might be Marna, a hill just east from Gil'ead. That would explain why Arya and Oromis are familiar with Kuthian name, because it's near Du Weldenvarden and elves must have been sometimes visiting this place before Galbatorix betrayed Riders and now they do not leave their forest so they have almost forgotten about Marna.
- The Rock of Kuthian could be the Aren, the ring Brom gave Eragon.
- The Rock of Kuthian could also be under the whirlpool, The Boars Eye, by the southern islands that Roran and the rest of Carvahall passed while they were on the ship while heading to Surda.
- The location of the Rock of Kuthian could very well be in The Dominance of Fate, giving the book significance. This seems likely because it is mentioned in Eragon when Brom sees the book that Galbatorix banned it and burned all known copies and their owners. Galbatorix would not need to burn the book if something vital was not written within, except because it tells how he came to power, which is something he would not want the people of Alagaësia to know. This is shown when Garrow tells Eragon that Brom would be put to death if Galbatorix knew he told the story of his rise to power. There is also the fact that Eragon receives Jeod's copy as a present in Brisingr.
- The Rock in Rock of Kuthian may have a different meaning, because if Kuthian is a Forsworn's dragon, then you cannot describe it. Most probably, the Rock of Kuthian is either the place where dragons lived in Du Weldenvarden, where Eragon told Saphira they would revisit or it maybe a dragon egg, and the green dragon in the fourth book could be named Kuthian.
- The Rock of Kuthian may be a place, rather than an actual rock. When Eragon tells Saphira about Solebum's advice she was "rolling the word around". That might mean just remembering but not fully knowing. Both Oromis and Arya recall remembering it, but not knowing where it came from. It may be possible that the place where the elves and the dragons met to make their truce at the end of their war, with Eragon there, is the Rock of Kuthian.
- As stated above, the Rock of Kuthian could be an Eldunarí. But maybe it might be the Eldunarí of Vrael's dragon, who might have been named Kuthian. Eragon could say his name, and Kuthian would know that he was a new Eragon, come to save Alagaesia. Then Kuthian could give him his own power, and guide him to where Galbatorix kept his Eldunarí, which would be called the Vault of Souls. Then Kuthian would tell all the Eldunarí that Eragon was a friend, and they would give all their power to Eragon, allowing him to overpower and destroy Galbatorix. However, this is extremely unlikely as Oromis would certainly know the name of Vrael's dragon.
- It is possible the Rock of Kuthian could be found in the Urgals halls, giving Nar Garzhvog's offer significance. This would also explain why Galbatorix hasn't found/utilized it, as he likely never saw fit to visit the Urgals.
- The Rock of Kuthian and/or the Vault of Souls could be the star sapphire. Remember that when Saphira repaired the Isidar Mithrim she released a rush of energy into the gem, so much energy that Eragon gasped at the ‘magnitude’. By either speaking his true name or his birth name he could access all the energy she put in the gem. Now she alone couldn’t put in enough magic to beat Galbatorix, but since Eldunarí steal energy from magic, hers could have simply done this at a much faster pace, it's unlikely but since when Dragons work magic the results are unmatched it’s possible. That could be why when a dragon works magic the results are so powerful. Also in some point in history someone or some number of beings could have poured a ton of energy into the star rose. The rose is twenty yards across and nearly as thick (as it says in Eragon) or sixty feet in diameter so it could easily hold enough energy to beat Galbatorix, and even more so is it’s been magically reinforced. The Vault of Souls could be the energy of dozens of beings or ‘souls’ stored in the star rose.
- The Rock of Kuthian can also be a mountain called Merna, which is near of lake Isenstar.
- The Rock of Kuthian could be at the top of Utgard Mountain because Vrael was there when Galbatorix killed him. He might of been trying to open the Vault of Souls.
- It is possible that Galbatorix beats Eragon and Saphira, hence, "when all seems lost." The Rock of Kuthian is probably one of the boulders inside inside Du Fells Nángoröth where the Eldunarí where originally stored and Eragon has to say his true name to open a secret passage behind a boulder and there's a bunch of Eldunarí in the secret room at the end of the passage.
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- My vote's Vroengard. it struck Oromises memory but he couldn't remember. maybe it was a secret of the drag riders order that they never wrote about
- -bkmoney- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bkmoney (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 01:57, September 8, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~
- yes but why would the dragon riders not write down such an important fact. especially if it could help defeat Galbatorix.
- and before you say because it could be stolen and destroyed, they could have hidden it amongst the elves. -shurtagal- Shuratagal 18:08, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
- No. I think it's somewhere in the dwarf mountain, because when Orik is crowned and the "god" appears, Eragon says he feels a great presence. Boom. Eldunari.
The land of the dead Edit
"Speak your name to the Rock of Kuthian 'to open the Vault of Souls'." This means the Rock of Kuthian has to be the gateway to the Vault, and the Vault can only be a magically hidden store of Eldunarí (unlikely), or else it's really the Land of the Dead, and the Rock of Kuthian is a gateway for the living to consult the dead. Eragon is probably going to find out powerful secrets of magic from the ppl. of long ago, like how to draw energy from fire or lightning, it can't be that they give him their strength b/c the dead can't carry their life force into the Void. 220.127.116.11 20:23, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe its something that would bring back Eragon Bromsson and give him power after Galbatorix strikes him dead, i.e. a kinda portal to the land of souls vice versa, after that, he uses some new power to kill/ end Galbatorix. maybe the Rock of Kuthian is like a intelligent gate to the vault... makes sense? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glen Villanueva (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 10:00, August 19, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
Eragon I's dragon's Eldunarí Edit
Seriously no one has thought of this yet:
- Rock of Kuthian = Eragon's (old) dragon's Eldunarí
- Vault of Souls = knowledge of all of the dragons and their magic
Eragon speaks his name because of the old Eragon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 18.104.22.168 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 03:42, February 10, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
Grey Folk artifact Edit
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What if the Rock and the Vault are actually an ancient Grey Folk artifact? In eldest, Oromis mentions that the grey folk enacted a great magic that changed the land. What if the Rock and the vault are the places where the GF cast their great spell, and now the place is suffused with the essence of the GF's original power, as it said that the spell left them little more than a shadow of their former glory (Guntera could in fact be a Grey Folk, incredibly powerful but still but a shell.) Its like the Halo Array, its where the Forerunner used all of their technology and power to change the galaxy, then disappeared from the universe. Imagine it, i think the essence of the greatest magic users in Alagaësia would be more powerful than all of the Eldunarí. And it would also fulfill Angela's prophecy, what if Eragon uses the immeasurable power of the Grey folk, then fades away and follows them to whatever distant place that they went. Gybrikkyus Sal 19:53, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Most likely theories Edit
I'd like to think there are four theories at this point that seem to be plausible as to the nature of the 'Rock of Kuthian' and the 'Vault of Souls', going from most likely to least likely:
- The 'Rock of Kuthian' could be a place that's remained well-hidden throughout generations by being called another name than what Solembum called it (assuming that 'Rock of Kuthian' is its true name), where a stash of special Eldunarí is kept hidden for Eragon to use as a power source ('special' meaning souls of dragons like the first Eragon's dragon).
- It could be a place that where Eragon can have the power to influence any living person through their 'soul', thus having the ability to free Murtagh from his obligations towards Galbatorix, for example, thus rallying him to the Varden's cause, greatly increasing their power and their chances of victory.
- It could be the place where the third dragon's egg is kept hidden, it's true name being 'Kuthian', thus explaining its name. The 'Vault of Souls' could then be that particular dragon's heart, or mind, as technically, the mind is the physical vault for one's soul.
- The 'Rock of Kuthian' could be some sort of barrier between the living world and the dead, who would then be gathered in a 'vault', a sort of after life. It could explain why numerous people would find it familiar without knowing why, as the soul as an essence would know this sort of thing, and not the physical mind. This could possibly permit Eragon to bring back the deceased, who could increase his power greatly depending on whom he would choose to come back.
- Why can't the RoK be Aren (Brom's Ring) & 7 words in ancient language combined with Eragon's true name will open VoS which may contain knowledge relating to Ancient language, may be its true name —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 10:44, May 5, 2011. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
Wild dragon Edit
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Kuthian could be a wild dragon that relinquishes it's freedom to save its species. CP stated that the title would be something that Eragon will inherit, and not something he has inherited. I think that Kuthian could be the title. This is because that Brisingr is the name of Eldest due to his sword, and because Solumbum says:
Listen closely and I will tell you two things. When the time comes and you need a weapon, look under the roots of the Menoa tree. Then, when all seems lost and your power is insufficient, go to the Rock of Kuthian and speak your name to open the Vault of Souls.
So Eragon could inherit 'Kuthian'. However, this is not meant as in owning him, but in the fact that Kuthian could be a wild dragon (as opposed to Greeni) . Kuthian could side with the Varden, and bond with a human or elf and sacrificing his freedom to save his species. Eragon would inherit the legacy that comes from Kuthian and Greeni (Greeni being a baby by Galbatorix's death). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grind3r (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 15:04, July 10, 2010. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
- Impossible. Part of the Dragon Pact is that Riders are created, when certain words are spoken over the dragon egg. This activates the Rider's bond and tells the egg not to hatch till it's destined bondmate shows up. An already hatched dragon clearly can't do that. Simple rules, already delineated in the series. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (Talk ▪ Contributions ▪ Logs) 02:22, April 13, 2011. Please sign your comments with ~~~~.
Forsworn's dragon's Eldunarí Edit
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My thoughts have always been since reading Brisingr that the Rock of Kuthian is the Eldunarí of one of the Forsworn's Dragons. Maybe that's why nobody remembered the name, and it would explain the connection to the vault of souls. I don't know what significance it would've had to speak a name to it, but maybe we'll see in the next book. Sin93 16:04, July 16, 2010 (UTC) (Moved from the article talk page.--Wyvern Rex. 16:15, July 16, 2010 (UTC))
Various speculations Edit
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It's possible that the Rock of Kuthian is the doorway to the Vault of Souls in Vroengard, where there are many hidden Eldunari and eggs.
It is possible that the Rock of Kuthian may be the fourth and smallest peak of Helgrind, or Du Fells Nángoröth, which is mentioned in Brisingr (page 630) by Glaedr. Du Fells Nángoröth was the place where the wild dragons kept their Eldunarí. Therefore the Vault of Souls could be a vault of Eldunarí, as the Eldunarí is basically the dragon's soul.
The fact that Arya and Oromis don't remember may mean that it has a spell on it similar to (or maybe the same one as) that on the Forsworn's dragons, where anyone who knows its name quickly forgets it, even (in the case of the dragons, but probably not the Rock of Kuthian, as it is unlikely to be sentient) themselves.
Even if Oromis doubted he would find it written in any elven scrolls, there is the possibility it could still be found in dwarf, human, or urgal written works. It is also a possibility that the Rock of Kuthian and the Vault of Souls are in different locations, as it is never mentioned that they are in close proximity to each other.
- I firmly believe The Rock is in fact the Dwarven one Saphira promised to repair! If it wasn't, the crystal would have no role in the story! Michael Flores 22:10, September 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Well personally i believe that the Grey Folk put wards around a chamber that holds the Rock of Kuthian, then after they detect Eragon's heart is pure will let him through therefore allowing him to move the rock, allowing him to open the vault of souls, and he finds the Heart of Hearts of ancient dragons who, will give him their power so he can finally overthrow Galbatorix. P.S. The grey folk may be gone but who's to say they were not their when the dragons where?188.8.131.52 19:14, October 7, 2011 (UTC) Epic Failure
Rock Of Kuthian Edit
The Rock Of Kuthian is a rock found on Vroengard, the island where lived the Riders before The Fall. Vrael, leader of the Riders and other elder Riders had decided to hide the remaining Eldunaris from Galbatorix. Hence, they built the Rock Of Kuthian, which is the entrance to a very deep tunnel which leads to an underground chamber. All the Eldunaris which were free from Galbatorix were kept in this chamber, along with a large number of Dragon Eggs. The Eldunari and the eggs were guarded by Cuaroc, a creature with the body of a Kull and head of a dragon. Cuaroc is infact the eldunari of the dragon Cuaroc, whose task was to protect the other Eldunaris. His body was fashioned by Silvary The Enchantress in order to help him carry out his task.